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Cellwynar



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I never thought I would have to post this and mean it. The warnings were there, but now they're real. Again, I truly hate to steal these words, but there are none better to describe our situation -

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The End. Sounds strange doesn't it? The ship went down faster than the Titanic, but the rats were bailing out before the iceberg was ever even in sight. I'd love to be able to sit here and tell you this was a result of the casualization of the game, of feeding us easy encounters for mediocre rewards, while at the same time undercutting these meager accomplishments and upgrades with welfare epics obtainable by anyone who has a large quantity of time, regardless of their skill or lack thereof. Let's be honest the theme of TBC is sacrificing everything that was good about raiding on the altar of accessibility. Sunwell is an unmitigated success, but let's be honest here, it's taken us 18months to get back to a Naxx level of difficulty and encounter design and we got a meager 6 bosses, that's pretty pathetic.

In any case that's not why you're reading this, is it. So if it wasn't lousy encounter design, shitty loot, cockblocks, etc, than what was it? The most fundamental currency there is in WoW. People. Somewhere along the line people got the idea that they were bigger than the guild. That what they wanted was more important than what was good for the guild. That somehow they deserved respect just for being around. And other people just stopped caring. Not only did they stop caring, but they didn't have the common decency to quit, they hung around for whatever reasons promising us they were going to be there, and we foolishly believed them out of loyalty for what we'd been through together. We had officers who couldn't take a stand any more and made decisions based on what was 'easy'. We had OFFICERS who disappeared with no notice, and would come and go as they pleased, yet still felt entitled to make decisions about where we were going. There is no 1 person's shoulder to place this on, it was a group effort.

Let's talk about a few important words here.

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According to dictionary.com
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Progress - gradual improvement or growth or development


That's right GRADUAL. Progress doesn't happen all in 1 night, but apparently some people that we had here didn't understand that. They thought bosses just fell over the first night because of the tag over their head, and the most important thing was how much damage they could do at all times. Newsflash - it doesn't work like that. It's pretty ironic that the first people to jump ship when progress wasn't going fast enough, were the same ones jerking off in the 5man, and holding up the raid on the first day. Progress takes time, and world firsts don't fall from the sky, they're the result of a lot of hard work, and effort. The reputation of this guild was built on the backs of a lot of hard work and dedication from EVERYONE. The guild was bigger than any of us, and we knew it. Which leads into the second word.

Pride. Once upon a time we had pride. Pride in our guild, pride in ourselves, pride in what we'd done. Pride is showing up and giving your best effort, ESPECIALLY when you don't want to be there, because your guildmates deserve that. We didn't always get world firsts, it's impossible to always be first, that's just not how the game works, but we showed up every day, EARLY and busted our asses, and we were proud of what we accomplished, be it world first or world 1000th. We didn't whine or complain about our fucking groups, or worry about loot. We killed bosses. Period. We gave our best effort because those around us deserved it, because the guild deserved it. We had pride about what we had done, not what those before us had done. But we also didn't have false pride. Once upon a time when people couldn't or didn't want to keep up the raiding schedule, they had the guts and decency to let the rest of us know. Now they slink off into the night without even a word.

Some people will say, they have no ill will towards those who neglected us during progress. Who stopped showing up once things got hard. Who left at the first opportunity. I'm not one of them. To anyone who jumped ship, I'm going to be honest. I have no respect for you. You all claimed you wanted to be members of this guild, you came here, we geared you, and that set an expectation down for you. That you were one of us, just like those who paved the way for you. You turned your back on that, and the last person is just as guilty as the first.

A lot of you might think Valere died this week, but for those of us who have been here for a long time we know that isn't true. Valere died a long time ago. We still killed bosses every week, but the spirit was long gone. The swagger you all came to know and love from us had evaporated. Some of us still carried it, and the guild, but the new people never quite got it. In the end Valere turned into any other guild, a job for the mercenaries who came here. They logged in at 7, picked up their epics, and logged off until the next raid, and that was never what we were about. We were about having fun, and being irreverent, and being honest with ourselves and each other.

What happens now? Well, that's not up to us, it's up to you. Those of us that have been here will always be members of Valere, our characters will disappear, but our memories will not. We didn't create our legend, we were just a group of friends who loved killing raid bosses. All the people who came to our website, and followed our progress, and cheered for our accomplishments, you created the legend, and ultimately you will have the last chapter in this story.


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ßleu



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs
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Falaina



Joined: 21 Aug 2008
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...and all the little sub-guilds in Valere have moved on to create their own guild, or join another.

It was fun while it lasted. I had a BLAST. Seriously. Pew pew!

If anyone knows of an opening for a hunter on a causal raiding basis, let me know. Otherwise, it looks like I'll be hitting the battlegrounds until the expansion.
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Adcheus
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I will have to think about this a little more, but in the end people put themselves before the guild.  It is not my intent to offend my friends both those here and those that left... but in the end people needed to be ready to work things out.  People need to be willing to suck up that insulting post and be ready to take a high road.  People need to be willing to let go of that non-essential position and find a compromise.

I have no hard feelings for anyone that left the guild, but we have a rare chance to move forward and that is the coming expansion.  The playing field will be leveled and the gear excuses will be gone, as long as people will put the effort in.

Valere was created months before Burning Crusades and we began in 10 mans and built our way up to 25 man content.  It can be done again, if people are willing to put the guild first.  I suppose now is the time, if you aren't ready to rebuild then now is probably the time to go.

Those willing to stay, we should aim for WotLK and begin rebuilding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLurt26ne4

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Marindah



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Some people will say, they have no ill will towards those who neglected us during progress. Who stopped showing up once things got hard. Who left at the first opportunity. I'm not one of them. To anyone who jumped ship, I'm going to be honest. I have no respect for you. You all claimed you wanted to be members of this guild, you came here, we geared you, and that set an expectation down for you. That you were one of us, just like those who paved the way for you. You turned your back on that, and the last person is just as guilty as the first.


This quote has been running through my mind alot lately.  There are some who have left who I hardly knew and didn't care about.  There were some who left who I really cared about and it hurt that they abandoned us.  There were a few that left who were destructive and vindictive and I felt like it was good to be rid of them.  There are still others who left who I cared for and have no ill will toward, in fact, at times have been envious of them.

For all those that have left in the past and have actually left Valere alone to succeed or fail on its own, regardless of the category that they fell in.....thank you.  It's clear that you had good reasons for going your own way and it was probably better in the long run for both of us.

For all those who have left but made it their life's mission to push and pull the still remaining members of Valere in one way or another to leave:


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ßleu



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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/pre_game_coin_toss_makes
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Dimencia



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what did I miss?


teach me to go away for the weekend...

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Marindah



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Dimencia wrote:
what did I miss?


teach me to go away for the weekend...


nothing new

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Adcheus
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ßleu wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/pre_game_coin_toss_makes


LOL...

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following:
Objective morality does not exist.
No action is logically preferable to any other in regard to the moral value of one action over another.
In the absence of objective morality, existence has no intrinsic higher meaning or goal.
There is no reasonable proof or argument for the existence of a higher ruler or creator.
Even if a higher ruler or creator exists, humanity has no moral obligation to worship them.
The term nihilism is sometimes used synonymously with anomie to denote a general mood of despair at the pointlessness of existence.[1]
Movements such as Dada, Futurism,[2] and deconstructionism,[3] among others, have been identified by commentators as "nihilistic" at various times in various contexts. Often this means or is meant to imply that the beliefs of the accuser are more substantial or truthful, whereas the beliefs of the accused are nihilistic, and thereby comparatively amount to nothing (or are simply claimed to be destructively amoralistic).
Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity a nihilistic epoch,[4] and some Christian theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity[5] and many aspects of modernity[3] represent the rejection of God, and therefore are nihilistic.

Per, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

You missed nothing, pretty literally, LOL.

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essex



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So I have been sitting on a way to reply to this for a while. Part of me wanted to just let this go....but part of me could not let the BS pile up as high as it has without saying something. So whileto this point I have done my best to keep my nose clean of any and all drama I have to say my peace.

*golf clap* Way to go Cell. You post about Guild Loyalty *after* you leave and try to bring people to follow you to Plan B. Way to go man. Now I'm the guy who was the deciding vote that gave you GL over Kinari. I think long and hard over what path we all would be on had my vote of been different.

See your foot was out the door for a long time make no mistake. You talk a very good game. But the time and effort you put into the guild was in direct porportion to how much ass you were tapping at the time. Not really how much time the job was taking from you. When the woman had your balls...no time for wow or the guild....when you were dumped....you needed your wow friends...simple as that. Your "six months" turned into "as long as I stayed with my GF". Which hey it's all RL and all your business, but don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

So I would take more stock in your words if your intent and actions were more than the hollow acts that they were. *shrug*

Yup I left. I had my reasons. I kept them to myself for the most part as I did not want drama and/or strife, and wished everyone well. I stayed in touch with those I chose to, and didnt with those I chose not to. Plain and simple. But at least I didn't try to lure people away to another guild while trying to preach togetherness.

Essex


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