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Falaina



Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Posts: 20


Location: Halifax, NS, Canada

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The deciding vote? Its internal politics like this that got Valere to where it is today.

People need to grow up and realize they're fighting over a game.

Crowing about guild loyalty and honor is a farce. Stop being rude to each other and you'll find things go a lot nicer. Stop bickering about false self-righteous morals and you'll have no problem at all getting a group together to have fun.

So you're hurt that a friend treated you poorly, we get that. Its happened to a lot of people here lately. Move on already, you're supposed to have learned how to deal with that kind of social situation back in preschool.

Wallowing in the mud is just going to make you dirtier.
Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:45 am View user's profile Send private message
Marindah



Joined: 18 Aug 2008
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Falaina wrote:
Its internal politics like this that got Valere to where it is today.
People need to grow up and realize they're fighting over a game.


You were gone for most of the activities that transpired and have come back to a non-raiding guild, you clearly do not have any valuable input into this situation.  While I am not saying whether I agree or disagree with Essex's point of view.  It is HIS point of view, very clearly written that way.  He, at least was an active participant in the guild for the time that he is speaking about and you're patronizing the reading populace because the fight is NEVER about the game.

If you want MY point of view, it is part-time guild members such as yourself that put Valere in the position it is today.  It was due to officers and members who hadn't played in months but still wanted input into how the guild was run who put Valere where it is today.  It was people who leave for months at a time but expect to come back to full-time raiding when they get back that put Valere where it is today.  It was new officers who recruited too many people in greens and half Kara gear so that raid progression went backwards that put Valere where it is today.  It was the bifurcation of opinions on loot distribution systems that put Valere where it is today.  It was raid leaders who couldn't take the pressure of trying to maintain a "casual" atmosphere and still get people to do their jobs to down content as the raiders continually cried that they wanted to do.  And finally it was several Chicken Littles screaming, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling, run for your lives" that pulled us down.  

The thing that kept us going all this time was the general raiding populace who worked on things night after night while the leadership recruited.  The general raiding populace that trained the newly recruited raid groups over and over again due to spots temporarily vacant by part timers.  The veterans who stayed, the new members who were actually geared and experienced enough to last and the new people who Valere just lucked out in getting.  The laughter and friendships of those people. That's what kept us going.

There is not one person in Valere or ex-Valere who is not responsible for its downturn including myself.  Not one.  We all made stupid mistakes, said stupid things and did stupid things. We're all at fault from the Assclown to the Guild Leader both past and present.  What I'm suggesting is that the supercilious expressions be viewed in a bathroom mirror rather than be displayed as a naive and hypocritical post against those who express an opinion.

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Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:27 pm View user's profile Send private message
Falaina



Joined: 21 Aug 2008
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Location: Halifax, NS, Canada

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There's the elitist attitude I was describing.

Are you attacking me because I'm right? Or is it because you feel insecure? I just don't understand the hostility...

My point was that for whatever reason things went wrong, get over it. There's no need to continue slinging mud around to see who was more dedicated to the guild. You're fighting over something that really isn't supposed to be more than entertainment.

When did it stop being entertainment to you?
Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:56 pm View user's profile Send private message
Odette



Joined: 18 Aug 2008
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well for marindah's statement about new people recruiting people in greens, u are wrong.  we tried to get people who were at least kara geared.  There were a couple who were lower gear lvls but we tried to get higher.  I know if i invited anyone who was in less then t4 or t5 i specifically told them they would need to work on gear before getting into MH/BT.

If people would have tried to work together and come to a compromise things may have been different.  U cant say that i wasnt willing to work with people cuz if u look in officer forums u would see i made suggestions on alternatives.

Oh,  and i did have one question.  What happened to u stepping down as CL when it was a 4 against 5 vote on the loot system?  U didnt get your way and decided to step down as CL.  Seems like now that Ranops, Lind, and me are gone u have no reason to step down.  Now u can get your way all the time.  This is the exact reason i left.

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Marindah



Joined: 18 Aug 2008
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Apparently, you both can't read.  I'll repeat the point of my post:

There is not one person in Valere or ex-Valere who is not responsible for its downturn including myself.  Not one.  We all made stupid mistakes, said stupid things and did stupid things. We're all at fault from the Assclown to the Guild Leader both past and present.  What I'm suggesting is that the supercilious expressions be viewed in a bathroom mirror rather than be displayed as a naive and hypocritical post against those who express an opinion.

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Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:40 pm View user's profile Send private message
Adcheus
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Joined: 18 Aug 2008
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I love lamp.

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Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:54 pm View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Falaina



Joined: 21 Aug 2008
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Location: Halifax, NS, Canada

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Self deprecation doesn't make you right, it just makes you one of us.

If you had spent more time thinking about what I wrote instead of reacting, you'd realize I was agreeing with you. We all had a hand in one way or another... I just don't see the point in getting angry and leaving rude posts about it.

As for being naive and hypocritical, that's your opinion. I won't get angry about it because I can only assume you don't know me. I did most of my 'raider' raiding while you were on leave so it is understandable.
Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:09 pm View user's profile Send private message
Adcheus
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I'm sorry Champ, I think I ate your chocolate squirrel.

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Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:13 pm View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Marindah



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Adcheus wrote:
I'm sorry Champ, I think I ate your chocolate squirrel.


Dude...that was MY squirrel....where did you put his nuts????

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Ztup



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On his chin  Very Happy



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